( he has learned not to be surprised by areas in which their worlds experience overlap. he knows that the sandaime died against edo tensei, and orochimaru would certainly stop at nothing to gain power. the deaths of others mean nothing to him.
(he should have killed him in akatsuki, the first time he ever made a play for the sharingan.) )
There is a man like that in my world. I killed him shortly before my arrival here. It seems that such behaviour is commonplace.
( he cants his head. his attention drifts to the book he'd brought, what it means to the shinobi world that they functioned nearly a thousand years killing each other with chakra and only really began utilizing it for healing within the last seventy.
are there many others like him? the technique to resurrect the dead was created before a medical application of ninjutsu. it was meant to find value in the loss of your forces, because such losses were expected. in the last great war, the average life expectancy of those in active service was roughly three months.
it is always said to be wary of shinobi who grow old. )
The technique to revive the dead has been deemed a forbidden jutsu — which means it is not taught, and any notes or knowledge of it is said to have been destroyed. ( his tone suggests he is skeptical of this claim. no one with that knowledge would willingly discard it. ) The ninja villages of my world are in constant conflict with one-another, and I believe there are a significant number of individuals who would gladly use such a thing if it was made available to them.
( he does not speak much on his own world, but he is feeling... circumspect, perhaps. )
However — I believe we would view such a thing differently than you do.
So the knowledge probably wasn't as... thoroughly erased as might be hoped. And if people know it's possible... even if they don't know any of the details, they might try to reinvent it.
[As it always is with forbidden knowledge. Particularly if, like Free magic, it requires relatively little training, and more will and knowledge that it's possible.]
Especially since... your world isn't troubled by the Dead, they might not even see such a thing as dangerous, and people might not so thoroughly revile someone who did such a thing.
It would almost certainly be dangerous, and the jutsu is reviled enough among those aware of it...
( there is a clear however in his tone.
his body will have many uses after his death, but he is not destined for a peaceful rest no matter what becomes of all the disparate parts of him. to be brought back and held in thrall would simply be more of the same for him. he has always bent his head willingly to the yoke, obedient and submissive to control. he studies the scars that wind around his right hand and arm like a band, the pink flesh is raised and shiny with newness, and the ring glints in the light. he turns it with his thumb so it is properly straight. )
However — like any other technique in my world, it is a tool. Intent matters when wielding it.
I admit, my perspective is... strongly shaped by my experiences, but I can't see how such a tool could be used with good intent.
[Perhaps not entirely malicious intent, if the Dead in question had no need to feed on the living, but still.. Every instinct that's been trained into Sabriel since she first touched that core of Free magic power inside of her recoils at the thought.
So she frowns, glancing down at her tea, and Itachi's hands, before looking up to meet his eyes.]
And in the Old Kingdom, there are some forces that are corrupting, even when used with the best of intentions.
If you are defending the civilians whose safety is your responsibility, and you are losing the battle — is it better to allow them to be slaughtered, or to resurrect your shinobi who were willing and did already die for that same cause?
( it is a purely philosophical question. he can understand both sides of it without issue. but he enjoys debating such things with her, to see where her clever mind may carry her. )
This is assuming that said resurrection will not revive them as creatures who will pose an equal threat to said civilians, if not carefully controlled?
[Which is, really, the core of why necromancy is banned, why it's reviled. The Dead need to feed on Life in order to remain in Life, and if left to their own devices, are not picky about where said life-force comes from.]
I could see why someone desperate enough might see it as the right choice, but I don't think I could ever bring myself to do it.
No. There is no ferality associated with this jutsu. Those brought back in this manner have their personalities intact, but they are under the control of the one that summoned them.
( he has never seen it done personally, but spies have an alarming tendency to learn things they shouldn't. he knows how hiruzen died. what he died doing. )
But it is natural to hold opinions based on your own world. You are remarkably open-minded about it, despite all you have seen and known as Abhorsen.
I see. Then using it only to revive allies seems advisable- even with a short leash, given control of their faculties and sufficient motivation, one bound could easily make themselves distinctly unhelpful.
[She's absolutely thinking of Mogget as she says this.]
( it's like she's reached directly into the future and saw itachi being a fucking shit about edo tensei or something... he made it as difficult as (in)humanly possible for kabuto to do anything, because he's Just That Asshole. )
Presumably. I doubt I will ever encounter this technique directly in my lifetime, and stories told about it tend to... obfuscate the details.
For understandable reasons. With magic that's forbidden... stories tend to obfuscate how it's done, although that can also lead to misunderstandings regarding the true nature of things.
[At this point, Sabriel's sure that no one living could tell her the true nature of Mogget, or his binding. Possibly not even Mogget, even if he wanted to.]
Well, those being revived are being restored to true life- and thus, not my problem. As for overturning deaths... I'd be a hypocrite if I objected, given my own regret.
[Given that she's doing this to undo the deaths of her friends.]
[Sabriel hesitates for a long moment before speaking.]
I was facing a Greater Dead creature- one that had killed several Abhorsens, and that several more had dragged deep into Death. But Kerrigor wouldn't die- not properly, anyway.
But- he had a weakness. He was using his original body as an anchor, but he'd put it in an ensorcelled coffin and hidden it in Ancelstierre. So when I realized where it was- I was able to recruit the soldiers at the perimeter to help me, but there weren't enough Charter mages to force the coffin open. And Kerrigor was coming to stop us, so...
[Sabriel looks down at her tea as she speaks.]
I told Colonel Horyse that the Senior magic classes could help. And- they did. Kerrigor was dealt with, but at a high cost.
( he can tell that this is a source of shame and great grief for her. it is in the set of her shoulders, the way her fingers grasp the cup, the way her gaze averts and drops, her eyes looking fathomless and dark as a void. it is a mark of how unalike their worlds are, he thinks — because to him, that is no different than children from the academy being promoted to genin to fill out the ranks of a battalion going to war. losses are expected and inevitable, and often necessary. shinobi children were afraid, but knew to walk towards death regardless of that fear.
there was no other option. cowardice was worse than death. men like hatake sakumo were made an example of.
he killed his first man at four. he came near to death he was seven, clutching a knife in his gut that had been meant for another. he is aware that it is — not normal. not a thing expected or demanded of people whose lives have not been intertwined with war in ways that cannot be undone. normalcy is a concept he has only recently begun to taste, and applying it to the deficient areas in his life is still not within his capability. some things cannot be put away so easily.
yet, he is caught up in the relentless tide of her empathy. he does not think it is weakness, to wish things undone. nor that she laments those taken. for a moment, he does not recognize what he is feeling towards her, the emotion something long buried and lost. he corrals it, assesses it as dispassionately as an anthropologist might study ancient bones —
affection, he eventually concludes. a tiny, guttering flame that — if left unchecked — may build to the same sort of conflagratory warmth he felt when listening to shisui speak about the future, and the peace they would bring and all the things they would accomplish together.
imagine a world where we can be whatever we want. what do you want to be, itachi? shisui had asked him once with a broad smile.
he blinks, and the moment shatters back to memory. )
You made the correct choice.
( is what he decides to say, eventually. )
I believe that if there was another way, you would have done it. Did you make provisions in your regret for how else he may be dealt with?
[Part of the reason Sabriel was willing, even reluctantly, to speak of this to Itachi, was because she did not expect him to judge her. He seems no stranger to making hard choices.
Everyone she's told about her regret has been sympathetic, hasn't judged her for what she'd done. But the guilt still gnaws at Sabriel. She'd nearly died herself then, dragged back by her predecessors because there had to be an Abhorsen, so she wasn't allowed to die until there was one who could replace her.
Her classmates had not been so fortunate. She looks back up at Itachi as she speaks.]
My regret was to undo their deaths... not the choices that lead to it. They did not die in the process of opening the coffin, but rather, when Kerrigor and his forces attacked immediately after. If he had been delayed even slightly, or if their injuries were not as extreme...
[Sabriel shakes her head, as though she's trying to get something out of her ear as she falls silent.]
But no, there wasn't another way. Not one that had any chance of success, at least.
I am not sure, but I suspect so. There are objects and knowledge I'd like to bring back with me. Particularly the knowledge.
[Sabriel thinks of the notes she found in Kilnan, discussing how to use magic to travel between worlds... and how to make objects come alive, which strikes her as far less interesting.]
( he and blue had a conversation about fate not too long ago, and he'd told the man then that if he believed in it, he would not be here. )
It is also possible that what we are doing does not affect our 'prime' universe but simply will create offshoots of it, timelines that ripple outwards from the changes we wish to make.
( but if it is only in one life that sasuke gets to grow up with a family, happy and protected — does it matter? he would still gamble everything on that one life. that one chance. would still die to bring it into reality. )
Perhaps. From what my cousins have told me, they See many possible futures... and through their actions, and the knowledge they share with others, they seek to prevent some futures, while ensuring that others come to pass. But there is no single future that is 'supposed to be'.
[At least, that's what Sabriel's been able to make sense of from the Clayr's explanations. That rather than being predestined, people's actions and choices shape the future.]
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(he should have killed him in akatsuki, the first time he ever made a play for the sharingan.) )
There is a man like that in my world. I killed him shortly before my arrival here. It seems that such behaviour is commonplace.
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[People like that... Sabriel is not, by her nature, an unforgiving or vengeful person.
But threats are threats, and need to be dealt with. And everything she's seen of Itachi suggests he's not a stranger to violence.]
Are there many others like him, in your world?
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are there many others like him? the technique to resurrect the dead was created before a medical application of ninjutsu. it was meant to find value in the loss of your forces, because such losses were expected. in the last great war, the average life expectancy of those in active service was roughly three months.
it is always said to be wary of shinobi who grow old. )
The technique to revive the dead has been deemed a forbidden jutsu — which means it is not taught, and any notes or knowledge of it is said to have been destroyed. ( his tone suggests he is skeptical of this claim. no one with that knowledge would willingly discard it. ) The ninja villages of my world are in constant conflict with one-another, and I believe there are a significant number of individuals who would gladly use such a thing if it was made available to them.
( he does not speak much on his own world, but he is feeling... circumspect, perhaps. )
However — I believe we would view such a thing differently than you do.
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[As it always is with forbidden knowledge. Particularly if, like Free magic, it requires relatively little training, and more will and knowledge that it's possible.]
Especially since... your world isn't troubled by the Dead, they might not even see such a thing as dangerous, and people might not so thoroughly revile someone who did such a thing.
[Which is... hard to wrap her head around.]
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( there is a clear however in his tone.
his body will have many uses after his death, but he is not destined for a peaceful rest no matter what becomes of all the disparate parts of him. to be brought back and held in thrall would simply be more of the same for him. he has always bent his head willingly to the yoke, obedient and submissive to control. he studies the scars that wind around his right hand and arm like a band, the pink flesh is raised and shiny with newness, and the ring glints in the light. he turns it with his thumb so it is properly straight. )
However — like any other technique in my world, it is a tool. Intent matters when wielding it.
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[Perhaps not entirely malicious intent, if the Dead in question had no need to feed on the living, but still.. Every instinct that's been trained into Sabriel since she first touched that core of Free magic power inside of her recoils at the thought.
So she frowns, glancing down at her tea, and Itachi's hands, before looking up to meet his eyes.]
And in the Old Kingdom, there are some forces that are corrupting, even when used with the best of intentions.
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( it is a purely philosophical question. he can understand both sides of it without issue. but he enjoys debating such things with her, to see where her clever mind may carry her. )
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[Which is, really, the core of why necromancy is banned, why it's reviled. The Dead need to feed on Life in order to remain in Life, and if left to their own devices, are not picky about where said life-force comes from.]
I could see why someone desperate enough might see it as the right choice, but I don't think I could ever bring myself to do it.
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( he has never seen it done personally, but spies have an alarming tendency to learn things they shouldn't. he knows how hiruzen died. what he died doing. )
But it is natural to hold opinions based on your own world. You are remarkably open-minded about it, despite all you have seen and known as Abhorsen.
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[She's absolutely thinking of Mogget as she says this.]
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Presumably. I doubt I will ever encounter this technique directly in my lifetime, and stories told about it tend to... obfuscate the details.
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[At this point, Sabriel's sure that no one living could tell her the true nature of Mogget, or his binding. Possibly not even Mogget, even if he wanted to.]
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( and, moving right along and changing tack — )
What is your opinion on those who are brought back from death by the powers of this place? Or those whose regret involves overturning deaths?
( he's not exactly #askingforafriend but he is curious, given her aversion. )
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[Given that she's doing this to undo the deaths of her friends.]
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( it's not a topic they've spoken much on, but he does have a spy's natural curiosity for such things, as tools of leverage if nothing else. )
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I was facing a Greater Dead creature- one that had killed several Abhorsens, and that several more had dragged deep into Death. But Kerrigor wouldn't die- not properly, anyway.
But- he had a weakness. He was using his original body as an anchor, but he'd put it in an ensorcelled coffin and hidden it in Ancelstierre. So when I realized where it was- I was able to recruit the soldiers at the perimeter to help me, but there weren't enough Charter mages to force the coffin open. And Kerrigor was coming to stop us, so...
[Sabriel looks down at her tea as she speaks.]
I told Colonel Horyse that the Senior magic classes could help. And- they did. Kerrigor was dealt with, but at a high cost.
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there was no other option. cowardice was worse than death. men like hatake sakumo were made an example of.
he killed his first man at four. he came near to death he was seven, clutching a knife in his gut that had been meant for another. he is aware that it is — not normal. not a thing expected or demanded of people whose lives have not been intertwined with war in ways that cannot be undone. normalcy is a concept he has only recently begun to taste, and applying it to the deficient areas in his life is still not within his capability. some things cannot be put away so easily.
yet, he is caught up in the relentless tide of her empathy. he does not think it is weakness, to wish things undone. nor that she laments those taken. for a moment, he does not recognize what he is feeling towards her, the emotion something long buried and lost. he corrals it, assesses it as dispassionately as an anthropologist might study ancient bones —
affection, he eventually concludes. a tiny, guttering flame that — if left unchecked — may build to the same sort of conflagratory warmth he felt when listening to shisui speak about the future, and the peace they would bring and all the things they would accomplish together.
imagine a world where we can be whatever we want. what do you want to be, itachi? shisui had asked him once with a broad smile.
he blinks, and the moment shatters back to memory. )
You made the correct choice.
( is what he decides to say, eventually. )
I believe that if there was another way, you would have done it. Did you make provisions in your regret for how else he may be dealt with?
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Everyone she's told about her regret has been sympathetic, hasn't judged her for what she'd done. But the guilt still gnaws at Sabriel. She'd nearly died herself then, dragged back by her predecessors because there had to be an Abhorsen, so she wasn't allowed to die until there was one who could replace her.
Her classmates had not been so fortunate. She looks back up at Itachi as she speaks.]
My regret was to undo their deaths... not the choices that lead to it. They did not die in the process of opening the coffin, but rather, when Kerrigor and his forces attacked immediately after. If he had been delayed even slightly, or if their injuries were not as extreme...
[Sabriel shakes her head, as though she's trying to get something out of her ear as she falls silent.]
But no, there wasn't another way. Not one that had any chance of success, at least.
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( everything has a weakness. there is no spell, no technique, no summon that lacks it. even susanoo is not without flaw. )
Do you expect you will remember all you have come to know here, upon returning?
( he knows that viveca has been... vague on the matter, from what he has been able to unearth. but sabriel likely holds her own theories. )
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[Sabriel thinks of the notes she found in Kilnan, discussing how to use magic to travel between worlds... and how to make objects come alive, which strikes her as far less interesting.]
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( look it makes sense to him, okay. )
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[Which isn't something Sabriel believes. In some vague idea of fate, perhaps, but not that there's a single, immutable future.]
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( he and blue had a conversation about fate not too long ago, and he'd told the man then that if he believed in it, he would not be here. )
It is also possible that what we are doing does not affect our 'prime' universe but simply will create offshoots of it, timelines that ripple outwards from the changes we wish to make.
( but if it is only in one life that sasuke gets to grow up with a family, happy and protected — does it matter? he would still gamble everything on that one life. that one chance. would still die to bring it into reality. )
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[At least, that's what Sabriel's been able to make sense of from the Clayr's explanations. That rather than being predestined, people's actions and choices shape the future.]
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Your cousins?
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